PBS NEWSHOUR: David Brooks of The Atlantic and Jonathan Capehart of MS NOW join Amna Nawaz to discuss the week in politics, including how progressive wins in Michigan could signal a leftward turn in the Democratic Party's base.AMNA NAWAZ, PBS NEWSHOUR: In terms of that, David, what we have seen from Republicans on the messaging front so far is some anti-Muslim rhetoric already. Republicans are now using Dr. El-Sayed's full name in their ads, which they haven't used before, which is Abdulrahman Mohamed El-Sayed, which I guess is supposed to scare people or something.But the president is also talking about a rising communism threat. None of these candidates are communists. Are those the strongest messages the Republicans have right now?DAVID BROOKS, THE ATLANTIC: No, they should just say, these people are too left-wing for you.The Democrats are doing the same thing they did in 2020. They're angry at Trump. I understand that. They're angry at their own leaders for not standing up to Trump in the way they think he should be stood up to. And so they're swinging left.In 2020, it was moderately left. If you remember the Democratic primary debate, presidential debate, almost all the candidates said, I believe in open borders. That was political suicide. This is political suicide times 10, because if you look, for example, there are 16 Democrats who have won in Trump districts, where Trump also won.What do those 16 Democrats have in common? They're all moderates. This is one of the firmest pieces of research across the board, massive amounts of evidence. Moderates do better than progressives. They do better in race after race and race by an average of maybe four points.And so if you want to win and defeat Republicans, nominate a moderate. It's not that complicated. You take a look at what happened in Georgia a couple of years ago. You had Raphael Warnock, a moderate, and Stacey Abrams, a progressive. Warnock wins, Abrams loses. It's the case over and over and over and again.But Democrats seem to have not learned this message, at least the kind of voters who voted for El-Sayed. He did very well in highly educated and more elite districts. He, like all socialists, did very poorly among workers. In the general election, there are going to be a lot more people without college degrees than with college degrees, or at least in this primary campaign.So this is bad news for Democratic electability.JONATHAN CAPEHART, MS NOW: I would just say Dr. El-Sayed is not a socialist. He's a progressive, just to be clear. He's not a member of the DSA.NAWAZ: He's backed by many Democratic Socialists.CAPEHART: Well, sure, he's backed by, but he's not like Mayor Mamdani, who is a member of the DSA.And I would push back on David. It's not just anger at Trump. It's anger at Trump policies. It's not just we don't like the president because he is who he is. We don't like the president, particularly in Michigan, because of the tariffs, because of the war. There are lots of tangible Trump policies that Dr. El-Sayed ran on to get people's votes.And that message that he's -- he argued during the campaign is one he's going to take to the general election. And it's just a matter of whether it will penetrate. And that's the big test here.BROOKS: Voters in almost every presidential race, I think, in every one of my lifetime, have always said, who's closer to the center? And they vote for that person. Trump seemed closer to the center than Kamala Harris. Biden seemed closer to the center than Donald Trump.Donald Trump over the last few years has run away from the center. He is handing this election to the Democrats. All they have to do is sit there and be couch potatoes. They do not have to support Medicare for all so that Republicans can go to them and say, you like your private health insurance? Mr. El-Sayed's going to take that away from you.That is politically bad news, and that's only one of the issues on which the party is moving further and further away from the center, and therefore...CAPEHART: I mean, I disagree that the Democratic Party writ large is moving far away from the center, and that a few races won by Democratic Socialists or people who identify as progressive, like Dr. El-Sayed, that -- to me, I just don't -- I do not see it that you can put this -- make this blanket argument that the Democratic Party is running far left.
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